[Staff] [Board] UUCB Heating System

Sat Mar 23 22:36:37 EDT 2024

Sorry I am just getting around to weighing in.  

Wes – I’m a little confused.  I thought from our last conversation that Dailey Geothermal had fixed the problem and we now had a plan to flush the system several times a year.   Is this a new wrinkle in the challenges with the Ground Source system?

I have not been able to figure out who the proper person is to address the flooding issues in the visitor spaces.  I reached out this week to Kathryn Connerton, President and Chief Executive Officer of Guthrie Lourds Hospital this week to see if she can steer me in the right direction.  Hopefully I will hear from her shortly.

Be well,

Carl

Carl Cohen

607-353-2275

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Subject: Re: [Board] [Staff] UUCB Heating System

Yes, I also agree.

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 5:54 PM Karen via Board <board at uubinghamton.org <mailto:board at uubinghamton.org> > wrote:

I agree with removing the signs.

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On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 01:51:14 PM EDT, Carolyn Greenstrom <csg349 at nyu.edu <mailto:csg349 at nyu.edu> > wrote: 

I think removing and storing the signs is a good plan.  

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On Mar 23, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Shawn Steketee via Board <board at uubinghamton.org <mailto:board at uubinghamton.org> > wrote:

 I have no objection to temporarily storing the signs.

Shawn

Pronouns she/her/hers

On Saturday, March 23, 2024, 1:23 PM, Tim Wolcott via Board <board at uubinghamton.org <mailto:board at uubinghamton.org> > wrote:

Wes,

I do not object to storing the signs temporarily.

Tim

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On Mar 23, 2024, at 11:55 AM, Wes Ernsberger via Board <board at uubinghamton.org <mailto:board at uubinghamton.org> > wrote:

Hi Emily,

Thanks for your questions.

Drainage:  I have studied the situation several times and concluded that all the water that goes over the back parking lot from the discharge well seems to be soaking into the ground at the south edge where the bank starts, so long as the ground is not frozen.  So I don't think we need to do anything there.  From studying the pitch of the parking lot surface, I'm convinced that the puddle that forms in front of the visitor signs and the puddle that forms in the connector to the Guthrie lot are separate drainage problems that are unrelated to the overtopping of the discharge well.  In the short term, they may benefit from additional ditches or better clearing the existing ones .. but probably not much.  There needs to be a larger scale project to deal with those and I think Guthrie needs to be involved.  Carl is our rep to Guthrie and he is aware of this problem.

Visitor signs:  As you know, I think those signs should be removed until the drainage problem has been resolved.  However, that is just my opinion.  I think we need to have a reasonable amount of consensus before we remove them:  All:  Does anyone object to our temporarily removing those signs?   One variation on this is to move the signs elsewhere but that takes up parking spaces and is a fair amount of work to do.  So my vote is to simply take them out and store them in the shed.

Wes

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 10:20 AM Hotchkiss-Plowe Family <hotchkiss.plowe at gmail.com <mailto:hotchkiss.plowe at gmail.com> > wrote:

Wes, 

Is any additional ditch digging required to help with the excess overflow? 

Also, are we planning on removing the First Sunday Visitor Parking signs as was suggested? Is assistance needed? 

Ben and/or I can help as needed, just don’t want to do things without consultation.

Emily

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On Mar 22, 2024, at 8:24 PM, Wes Ernsberger via Board <board at uubinghamton.org <mailto:board at uubinghamton.org> > wrote:

Update: I've switched us back to the GSHP system a bit quicker than I had expected because the backup system stopped working.  That means that the overtopping of the discharge well is back.  We can work on the backup system starting Tuesday when Ed gets back home.  Meanwhile, looking at the weather forecast, I believe we'll be ok although there may be some ice forming on the back parking lot on some mornings, melting later in the day.

Wes

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:46 AM Wes Ernsberger <wesernsberger at gmail.com <mailto:wesernsberger at gmail.com> > wrote:

FYI, the GSHP discharge well (near the bottom of the steps to the back parking lot) overtopped again yesterday, resulting in water flowing over the back parking lot.  I talked it over with Ed and Scott.  Since there is below-freezing weather coming up and we don't want ice to form on the back parking lot and become a potential safety hazard, we decided to switch to the backup system, which I did yesterday evening.  

Note: We continue to use the GSHP system to heat the Fireside Lobby and the Chapel because those areas are not covered by the backup system.  The amount of water used for just this area is small enough that the discharge well can handle it and it doesn't overtop.

We don't use the backup system much so there may be uneven heating in some of the rooms. Feel free to adjust the temperatures on the old system thermostats, as necessary, and also feel free to contact me about anything.  If you adjust the temperatures, be sure to use HOLD so that it won't revert back to its program (of 60 degrees) at the start of the next setback time period.

I have notified Dailey Geothermal, our installer.  Until this problem is resolved, my plan is to go back to the GSHP system once we get warmer weather because then there is no freezing issue in case it overtops again.  We would just get some water on the back parking lot.

Wes

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